Paine
I see! So you’re not paid a salary, just shares in the company, which you sell off at intervals to raise cash.
Mari
That’s the long and short of it, yes.
Paine
And how is using the company like an ATM working for you?
Mari
I wouldn’t say it like that.
Paine
What does anyone spend twenty million dollars a month on? Take me inside your world.
Mari
Well, as you know, I support various charities and organisations.
Paine
I’m reading a statement here from PCG, the children’s charity. They say they can clothe, breakfast and lunch ten thousand children for one year with two million dollars.
Mari
Is that right?
Paine
This is one of the charities that you fully support, according to your bestselling book, And An Ugly Duckling Shall Lead Them.
Mari
Naturally, I’m not that organisation’s only source of funding and you haven’t accounted for staff transportation and all that. Administrative costs.
Paine
Five hundred thousand dollars a year. I spoke to the founder of the charity. You could basically fund this charity with a small fraction of…
Mari
Okay, alright.
Paine
…your monthly salary.
Mari
I’m a working mother who takes care of her family.
Paine
Most mothers make do on less than twenty million dollars a month. Do you remember a time when you weren’t earning a boatload of cash selling off stock on automatic trades?
Mari
I think if you allow me to finish I will say that as a working mother my duty is to my family.
Paine
This is not an answer to my question. Your husband is the founder of his own tech firm. His net worth is one billion dollars.
Mari
That’s irrelevant. My husband and I both contribute equally as providers and…
Paine
Which is why the question is pertinent. How come you fully support a charity and it hasn’t enough funding when you are withdrawing tens of millions of dollars a month on regular trades?
Mari
Obviously my financial matters are private.
Paine
They’re not.
Mari
They’re not?
Paine
Every financial transaction you make as COO is public knowledge. The SEC has regular filings from you and as it is a government agency we have access to this information under the Freedom of Information Act.
Mari
You are wrong. That’s snooping and you have no jurisdiction and no right.
Paine
You owe it to the public to show transparency in all of your financial dealings.
Mari
I’m not. You know, Ms Paine …
Paine
Carla, please.
Mari
… Carla. As a woman I expected you would …
Paine
Be on your side? Do you believe that every woman is obliged to defer to you?
Mari
Certainly, I don’t put myself above others.
Paine
Sounds like male entitlement to me. Which is to say, you’re worthier than I because you have a higher salary.
Mari
Absolutely not!
Paine
Isn’t that why you’re here? So this news magazine can laud your achievements further on television?
Mari
That’s cynical.
Paine
Well, isn’t that what you were expecting, to some degree?
Mari
I have no such agenda.
Paine
Do you see how other women would find it hard to relate to you?
Mari
I think they can relate to me since I’m a busy working class mother with children.
Paine
Working class? Not upper class? You have household help and child caregivers. You’ve spoken publicly about this.
Mari
I’m a … I’m a worker.
Paine
Let’s talk about that. You said in 2012 that you were head hunted after you suggested to your CEO that you use “meetings to talk about meeting points”?
Mari
Yes. This move has made the company waste less time, making it more efficient. It was a fledgling startup with few disciplined, responsible college educated people managing it at the top.
Paine
With all due respect, there’s not a man or woman watching this segment who has not said “let’s focus on meeting agendas” at some point in the past. Had I known it would be that easy to run CBS, I would have applied for the job years ago.
Mari
Obviously it’s a media company and is hard to run. You can’t just waltz in and oversee operations without the proper qualifications.
Paine
Could you clarify your point?
Mari
I’m saying I’m qualified to do my job and you are qualified to do yours.
Paine
It sounded to me like you were saying I don’t have the ability to run CBS.
Mari
Well, can you?
Paine
Let me put my point to you differently. In 2013, you were quoted as saying you innovated the company’s operating processes by introducing, and I quote, “bulleted points lists instead of numbered lists for all internal and external correspondence and wall mounted digital clocks instead of relying on computer screens.” Am I to believe that you earn twenty million dollars a month to obsess about the formatting in word processed documents and supervise office decoration? Twenty million.
Mari
Obviously this is an understatement. My statement was edited to make my job look more simple than it is.
Paine
So you agree that the job is a simple one. Were you hired as sort of a frontispiece? A beard of sorts.
Mari
Excuse me? My job is a complex … I have a Harvard MBA!
Paine
We would certainly expect a Harvard educated COO to do more than correct formatting in Word or set watches and clocks.
Mari
Can we take a break? I need to talk to my, ahhh.
Paine
Your publicist.
Mari
Can you stop the tape, please?
Paine
My boss at CBS gave me carte blanche here so that’s not going to happen.
Mari
I want to have a private conversation.
Paine
You agreed to an interview. You signed a contract.
Mari
And I’m saying I take offence to being bullied in this way by you, Carla.
Paine
Actually, it’s doctor Paine. I have a Cambridge PhD.
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